Do any of you get requests for "vacuum brooms" ?

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Do any of you get requests for "vacuum brooms" ?

Postby Tom_in_CA » Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:42 pm

Occasionally we get calls from persons requesting a "vacuum broom" .

This can mean different things to different people:

a) They might just be confusing terms and simply have no idea of whether they want a broom or a vacuum, and are just using the words inter-changeably.

b) Or they're thinking of something like a Tymco, with the steel curb gutter "brooms".

c) Or perhaps they're thinking of a Tymco with a broom assist head ? If so, I warn them that technically, it's still a vacuum. The broom is only for agitation purposes. And in NO sense is it going to pick up like a broom would do. If any sweeper Co's dispute this (and try to say that the BAH makes it into a hybrid, with the best of both worlds), here's how you stop that : You just ask them if they put that BAH Tymco onto wet grinding jobs. You will hear the sound of crickets chirping after that. Doh! Not saying that the BAH might not help in agitating the debri, but then there's also the downside that it comes under critique of robbing suction flow, d/t all the junk that's now occupying space that used to be free-flowing air. So some old-school guys didn't like the BAH. They took them off and went back to standard heads.

d) Or perhaps they're thinking of some broom sweepers being marketed in recent years, that have a complicated shroud cover surrounding the entire rear broom. Designed (in theory) to "vacuum" the airborne dust from getting out. Thus in theory you can sweep dry with your broom, without having to use ground water. But notice that this is only for airborne dust control, not vacuuming the surface . And also they are fraught with problems in that when you go to dump , and have to clean your filter bags, you simply create a bunch of dust at the dump site. Doh!

Is there anything that *IS* the perfect hybrid of the best of both vacuum and broom ? At present, I just tell the customer that there is no such beast. And that if they have to have both types, then we do a tandem: Send the broom out first, and then send the vacuum to such up the "fines" . Eg.: fines down in cracks, dust that the broom didn't get up, etc...

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Re: Do any of you get requests for "vacuum brooms" ?

Postby Dwan » Mon Oct 19, 2015 9:03 pm

We do the same thing here. Sometimes finding the machanical broom does a good enough job they don't want an air sweeper or think they need it. We find the machanical brooms (Mobil or Pelican) work great for heavy cleanup and the vacume (Elgin aircub or Victory MarkII ) work best for maintaining areas that have already been cleaned before. As for grindings or preping for paint we try to use both.

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Re: Do any of you get requests for "vacuum brooms" ?

Postby Tom_in_CA » Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:28 am

To expand the topic:

Not sure about Alaska or other states, but here in CA: There is a bunch of environmental hoopala going on here, about "groundwater runoff". So if a place like a factory, industrial plant, mechanical maintenance facility (bus yard, equipment repairs, etc...) has any sort of debri on the ground (kitty litter, metal filings-dust, fertalizers or nutrients from agricultures or produce packaging ,etc....), then inspectors will 'raise a fuss' over the potential for the rain to wash this into their drains.

And then ..... heaven-help-us if this hurt the spotted owls or 3 toed salamanders, RIGHT? We're not talking about obvious dirt, leaves, etc... getting washed into the drains, but even the dusts, etc... (ie.: dirty water).

So the new buzzword that's getting mandated on some of those poor fellow's who failed those health dept. inspections, is that they must have .... not only their parking lots swept, but specifically told they must have a "regenerative vacuum" do it. Which as you know, ALL vacuum sweepers today are some form of regenerative vacuum (some better than others). So this is nothing more than a fancy way of saying "vacuum sweeper".

The trouble is, some of these customers calling us for a "regenerative vacuum" have too much rock, dirt, metal debri, etc.... that wouldn't allow a vacuum to be put in there . So I tell them that they need a broom sweeper first. And then if they absolutely had to have the vacuum, to "satisfy the govt. inspectors", that it could come through 2nd for a tandem sweep. Presto: they can say they've abided.

But it's sort of a joke: Because by the time the broom sweeper came through first, the entire spoils that the vacuum can pick up, would probably fit in a 1 gallon pale. Depending on how porous the parking lot was, the amount of square footage, and how thorough the broom had been.

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Re: Do any of you get requests for "vacuum brooms" ?

Postby Protect Environment » Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:20 am

Yes I got such requests sometimes. Your thought is great!!
Tom_in_CA wrote:

This can mean different things to different people:

a) They might just be confusing terms and simply have no idea of whether they want a broom or a vacuum, and are just using the words inter-changeably.

b) Or they're thinking of something like a Tymco, with the steel curb gutter "brooms".

c) Or perhaps they're thinking of a Tymco with a broom assist head ? If so, I warn them that technically, it's still a vacuum. The broom is only for agitation purposes. And in NO sense is it going to pick up like a broom would do. If any sweeper Co's dispute this (and try to say that the BAH makes it into a hybrid, with the best of both worlds), here's how you stop that : You just ask them if they put that BAH Tymco onto wet grinding jobs. You will hear the sound of crickets chirping after that. Doh! Not saying that the BAH might not help in agitating the debri, but then there's also the downside that it comes under critique of robbing suction flow, d/t all the junk that's now occupying space that used to be free-flowing air. So some old-school guys didn't like the BAH. They took them off and went back to standard heads.

d) Or perhaps they're thinking of some broom sweepers being marketed in recent years, that have a complicated shroud cover surrounding the entire rear broom. Designed (in theory) to "vacuum" the airborne dust from getting out. Thus in theory you can sweep dry with your broom, without having to use ground water. But notice that this is only for airborne dust control, not vacuuming the surface . And also they are fraught with problems in that when you go to dump , and have to clean your filter bags, you simply create a bunch of dust at the dump site. Doh!

Is there anything that *IS* the perfect hybrid of the best of both vacuum and broom ? At present, I just tell the customer that there is no such beast. And that if they have to have both types, then we do a tandem: Send the broom out first, and then send the vacuum to such up the "fines" . Eg.: fines down in cracks, dust that the broom didn't get up, etc...

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