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Where to dump debris?

Postby djordan5 » Sat Feb 26, 2011 7:30 pm

Hi,
My name is Dan Jordan and I am thinking about starting a parking lot sweeping service in my area. I have been reading and researching as much information related to the parking lot sweeping business as I can. I have not found a definative answer to a question I have. I am wondering where does one dump the debris collected from a parking lot? Would I arrange to use the dumpster designated for the businesses whose lot I'm sweeping? Do I cart the debris back to the shop and dump it in my dumpster? Do I take the debris to a transfer station? Or would I utilize anyone of these methods depending on the situation? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.

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Re: Where to dump debris?

Postby Dwan » Sat Feb 26, 2011 8:20 pm

If possible use the customers site or dumpster. If you can not use theirs then you should charge for disposal and use your own dumpster. Waste Management who is the largest refuge disposal Co. all over the US will not take sweepings directly from a street sweeper. There policy states it is toxic waste. But they will take it if you dump it into a dumpster first. ????
Most of what I pickup in the spring contains P-rock and sand with a little waste mixed in. As I plow snow and sand parking lots during the winter I bought a screen/wash plant and recycle my sweepings except for the waste which goes in my dumpster. I also charge for disposal which covers my dumpster fee.

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Re: Where to dump debris?

Postby djordan5 » Sat Feb 26, 2011 8:48 pm

Thanks for the reply. It is very helpful.

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Re: Where to dump debris?

Postby Tom_in_CA » Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:10 am

Good question. When I first started, we did shopping centers all over the county. Whenever we'd get an account, we'd tell them ".... and we'll use your dumpster now and then for the spoils". Every store would always say "go ahead". That was in the late 1970s, and early 1980s, when stores still did not lock their dumpsters. But the problem was, that too many people would come dump sofas, household trash, etc.... illegally in store dumpsters. So stores started putting padlocks on them. You might be able to ge the store to issue you a key.

One problem we would encounter, is that while we might have 7 to 10 stops in a night, we might only need to dump once or twice in a night. So we had a practice of just spreading it out, so each person, over the course of time, "got their fair share". But you can imagine the confusion that causes, when you have a tiny strip mall, and you dump a full sweeper load in their dumpster! If they saw it the next morning, they might logically conclude: "hey, that didn't all come from my lot!!". And when we'd try to explain "yeah but we took your debr, for several months, away to other locations", it sometimes still didn't mentally fly, in their minds.

We got real creative, and just learned the places where no one would gripe. We also made some psychological pre-emptions by doing this: If your debri is ON TOP, then naturally, that's what the next person is going to see, when they look in. And even if it's only just the top 10% of whatever the stuff in the dumpster is, so long as it is from end to end, it LOOKS like you've "filled the entire dumpster".

So when we arrive at a dumpster to dump it, the first thing I do, is to remove any un-crushed boxes, and break them down flat. I take out a few of these crushed boxes and bags and put them temporarily to the side. Then I stomp the rest of the dumpster, to smunch it down. Then I dump our sweeper. Then I put the boxes and bags that I had previously removed, ON TOP of my load, so that their own debri is what is seen first, not mine. By the time I am done, the dumpster seems LESS full, and my stuff seems mimimal (visually).

Contrast to if you just dump on top of a bunch of non-crushed boxes, and your stuff is "over-flowing" on top of a bunch fluffy un-crushed stuff, it's going to look like you just filled it to over-flowing with your stuff.

What really started to tick me off, is typified in the following true conversation with a shopping center bid: When some shopping centers started declining use of their dumpsters, from the git-go (in the days when padlocks were becoming more common). This one particular center requesting a bid, told us, upon bidding, when I'd alerted them that we'd be using their dumpsters to "give them their fair share", they said: "We don't want it, that's your job to haul it", etc.... I objected "where do you expect me to haul it at 3am when the dump is closed?" The lady thought for a moment, and told me "well the other guy bidding didn't say anything about dumping, so I'm going to have to tell you too, that this is your problem". What ticked me off was, I knew full well that this other sweeper simply took it to whatever center had a dumpster where they "didn't ask questions". Or quite frankly, he planned to simply use their dumpsters anyways, and just wasn't going to bring attention to it (because, let's face it, if you do it right, no one notices). So I learned my lesson and just stopped alerting people to my intention. It's kind of like nose-picking: So long as you're discreet, no one notices. But if you alert people "I'm about to pick my nose", someone's gonna tell you not to do it. So why ask?

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Re: Where to dump debris?

Postby PowerSweeping » Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:56 pm

Tom_in_CA wrote:Good question. When I first started, we did shopping centers all over the county. Whenever we'd get an account, we'd tell them ".... and we'll use your dumpster now and then for the spoils". Every store would always say "go ahead". That was in the late 1970s, and early 1980s, when stores still did not lock their dumpsters. But the problem was, that too many people would come dump sofas, household trash, etc.... illegally in store dumpsters. So stores started putting padlocks on them. You might be able to ge the store to issue you a key.

One problem we would encounter, is that while we might have 7 to 10 stops in a night, we might only need to dump once or twice in a night. So we had a practice of just spreading it out, so each person, over the course of time, "got their fair share". But you can imagine the confusion that causes, when you have a tiny strip mall, and you dump a full sweeper load in their dumpster! If they saw it the next morning, they might logically conclude: "hey, that didn't all come from my lot!!". And when we'd try to explain "yeah but we took your debr, for several months, away to other locations", it sometimes still didn't mentally fly, in their minds.

We got real creative, and just learned the places where no one would gripe. We also made some psychological pre-emptions by doing this: If your debri is ON TOP, then naturally, that's what the next person is going to see, when they look in. And even if it's only just the top 10% of whatever the stuff in the dumpster is, so long as it is from end to end, it LOOKS like you've "filled the entire dumpster".

So when we arrive at a dumpster to dump it, the first thing I do, is to remove any un-crushed boxes, and break them down flat. I take out a few of these crushed boxes and bags and put them temporarily to the side. Then I stomp the rest of the dumpster, to smunch it down. Then I dump our sweeper. Then I put the boxes and bags that I had previously removed, ON TOP of my load, so that their own debri is what is seen first, not mine. By the time I am done, the dumpster seems LESS full, and my stuff seems mimimal (visually).

Contrast to if you just dump on top of a bunch of non-crushed boxes, and your stuff is "over-flowing" on top of a bunch fluffy un-crushed stuff, it's going to look like you just filled it to over-flowing with your stuff.

What really started to tick me off, is typified in the following true conversation with a shopping center bid: When some shopping centers started declining use of their dumpsters, from the git-go (in the days when padlocks were becoming more common). This one particular center requesting a bid, told us, upon bidding, when I'd alerted them that we'd be using their dumpsters to "give them their fair share", they said: "We don't want it, that's your job to haul it", etc.... I objected "where do you expect me to haul it at 3am when the dump is closed?" The lady thought for a moment, and told me "well the other guy bidding didn't say anything about dumping, so I'm going to have to tell you too, that this is your problem". What ticked me off was, I knew full well that this other sweeper simply took it to whatever center had a dumpster where they "didn't ask questions". Or quite frankly, he planned to simply use their dumpsters anyways, and just wasn't going to bring attention to it (because, let's face it, if you do it right, no one notices). So I learned my lesson and just stopped alerting people to my intention. It's kind of like nose-picking: So long as you're discreet, no one notices. But if you alert people "I'm about to pick my nose", someone's gonna tell you not to do it. So why ask?



Another thing to consider is the trash bags that are being replaced. Some shopping centers get quite filthy down here in Miami area on daily basis and they have 15+ garbage cans. Dumping those trash bags into the shopping center own containers is the only option.

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Re: Where to dump debris?

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Re: Where to dump debris?

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